1 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:07,460 the planets up the masters almost surely 2 00:00:16,230 --> 00:00:11,010 have a plan this clearly maybe something 3 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:21,130 you think you know the less you barely 4 00:00:47,540 --> 00:00:45,740 all right higher side Cheddar's today is 5 00:00:49,370 --> 00:00:47,550 going to be a game-changer of a show 6 00:00:51,710 --> 00:00:49,380 because many of us fringe enthusiasts 7 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:51,720 cut our teeth on legendary stories like 8 00:00:56,330 --> 00:00:54,090 a crashed saucer near Roswell or the 9 00:00:58,070 --> 00:00:56,340 implementation of Nazi occult scientists 10 00:01:00,200 --> 00:00:58,080 into the American machine with Project 11 00:01:01,940 --> 00:01:00,210 Paperclip and in recent years it's 12 00:01:03,770 --> 00:01:01,950 become popular to talk about breakaway 13 00:01:05,540 --> 00:01:03,780 civilizations and move towards a 14 00:01:08,330 --> 00:01:05,550 terrestrial explanation for the strange 15 00:01:10,130 --> 00:01:08,340 craft seen in the sky often with one of 16 00:01:12,770 --> 00:01:10,140 the previously mentioned events or a mix 17 00:01:14,780 --> 00:01:12,780 of both cited as the genesis point for 18 00:01:16,190 --> 00:01:14,790 such a breakaway group well today's 19 00:01:18,020 --> 00:01:16,200 guest has really kicked it up a notch 20 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:18,030 with his research into a group of 21 00:01:22,219 --> 00:01:19,710 hermetic Russian nationalists called 22 00:01:24,530 --> 00:01:22,229 nimza and artist named Charles del Chou 23 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:24,540 and a secret society of exotic craft 24 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:26,369 makers in Southern California called the 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:28,710 Sonora Aero Club it's a deep and rich 26 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:30,930 Pandora's box of conspiracy goodness 27 00:01:35,420 --> 00:01:32,670 that connect some dots and fills in many 28 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:35,430 gaps taking the popular idea of a 20th 29 00:01:39,469 --> 00:01:37,110 century breakaway civilization and 30 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:39,479 extending it back in the timeline to the 31 00:01:43,940 --> 00:01:42,090 19th century beginnings and beyond his 32 00:01:45,980 --> 00:01:43,950 name is Walter Bosley and he has been 33 00:01:48,109 --> 00:01:45,990 here once before many moons ago on th 34 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:48,119 seas 40th episode talking about his book 35 00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:51,060 latitude 33 the arcane science and 36 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:52,560 hermetic engineering of the happiest 37 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:54,090 place on earth which is a fascinating 38 00:01:59,059 --> 00:01:56,610 look into real magic built into the 39 00:02:00,919 --> 00:01:59,069 Disney complex and now he's back talking 40 00:02:02,809 --> 00:02:00,929 about his latest research the tracks the 41 00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:02,819 breakaway civilization back farther than 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:05,280 most a story that really unfolds over 43 00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:07,770 six of his books but is laid out most 44 00:02:12,650 --> 00:02:10,709 recently and his amazing $5 ebook origin 45 00:02:15,050 --> 00:02:12,660 the 19th century emergence of the 20th 46 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:15,060 century breakaway civilizations Walter 47 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:17,490 also made his living serving as a 48 00:02:20,930 --> 00:02:19,110 counterintelligence specialist with the 49 00:02:22,699 --> 00:02:20,940 FBI a special agent and the Air Force 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:22,709 and as a consultant in the private 51 00:02:26,870 --> 00:02:24,810 sector and lucky for us over the years 52 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:26,880 he's used his vast knowledge of military 53 00:02:31,130 --> 00:02:29,010 operations and covert missions to decode 54 00:02:32,930 --> 00:02:31,140 chapters in our past that the powers 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:32,940 that be would rather us not know about 56 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:34,890 it's a wild ride I can't wait to take 57 00:02:39,140 --> 00:02:36,800 Walter my man welcome back to THC 58 00:02:41,270 --> 00:02:39,150 thanks for having me back on Greg it's 59 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:41,280 good to be here to talk with you yeah 60 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:44,280 man a real pleasure this is a huge story 61 00:02:48,860 --> 00:02:46,770 and to find a good starting point this 62 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:48,870 saga suggests that certain people 63 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:51,810 uncovered lost information about secret 64 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:54,510 technologies that might have come from 65 00:02:57,290 --> 00:02:55,560 in advance 66 00:02:59,510 --> 00:02:57,300 civilization in the ancient past or 67 00:03:02,030 --> 00:02:59,520 information brought here from offworld 68 00:03:03,949 --> 00:03:02,040 so I guess before we can get into its 69 00:03:06,229 --> 00:03:03,959 rediscovery in the 19th century we have 70 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:06,239 to establish that there was something to 71 00:03:11,990 --> 00:03:08,930 rediscover so how best can we do that 72 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:12,000 well as I go into in the book in a 73 00:03:16,370 --> 00:03:13,769 couple of chapters because it almost 74 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:16,380 takes that much to establish just what 75 00:03:23,930 --> 00:03:20,130 you said you really have to go back and 76 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:23,940 take a look at legends of Atlantis or 77 00:03:29,390 --> 00:03:27,120 the stories from the Mahabharata of 78 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:29,400 ancient wars with advanced technology 79 00:03:34,490 --> 00:03:31,530 all that David Hatcher Childress lost 80 00:03:36,860 --> 00:03:34,500 cities and mysterious technologies type 81 00:03:40,460 --> 00:03:36,870 stuff and you got a sift through all 82 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:40,470 that and really find the nuggets of what 83 00:03:45,259 --> 00:03:42,690 it's all about and basically I distill 84 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:45,269 it into the argument the idea that you 85 00:03:49,670 --> 00:03:47,010 know hey there might have been an 86 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:49,680 advanced civilization from another place 87 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:52,500 that came here a long time ago for 88 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:54,450 whatever reason some of them stayed they 89 00:04:03,940 --> 00:03:57,840 established you know a new civilization 90 00:04:07,310 --> 00:04:03,950 or colony of their world here and they 91 00:04:12,949 --> 00:04:07,320 disappeared eventually but they left 92 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:12,959 behind the traces of this civilizations 93 00:04:21,710 --> 00:04:16,769 technology mm-hmm for others to find 94 00:04:24,290 --> 00:04:21,720 either in vaulted manuscripts or other 95 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:24,300 ways of recording the knowledge the 96 00:04:30,740 --> 00:04:27,090 know-how of how to pursue these 97 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:30,750 technologies more may be encoded in the 98 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:32,610 stone remains of you know for instance 99 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:34,320 the megalithic cultures and things like 100 00:04:40,370 --> 00:04:36,960 that but basically you just have to go 101 00:04:42,140 --> 00:04:40,380 back and like I said distill it into the 102 00:04:44,980 --> 00:04:42,150 closest thing to a nugget of truth that 103 00:04:48,529 --> 00:04:44,990 you can accept and then with that as the 104 00:04:50,450 --> 00:04:48,539 foundation you know I to me it seemed 105 00:04:54,409 --> 00:04:50,460 logical I chose to go forward on the 106 00:04:57,950 --> 00:04:54,419 path that over time us earth-based 107 00:04:59,690 --> 00:04:57,960 humans is one way I phrase it began to 108 00:05:02,990 --> 00:04:59,700 find these little traces began to find 109 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:03,000 these little gems of information of the 110 00:05:08,690 --> 00:05:05,750 lost period the lost civilization and 111 00:05:12,790 --> 00:05:08,700 slowly but surely began to 112 00:05:15,310 --> 00:05:12,800 attempt to maybe emulate or 113 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:15,320 reverse-engineer in today's vernacular 114 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:17,610 what this lost civilization had 115 00:05:21,410 --> 00:05:19,680 accomplished right honey 116 00:05:23,780 --> 00:05:21,420 you are right there are just tons of 117 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:23,790 myths and legends that allude to beans 118 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:25,680 from the sky and they might call them 119 00:05:29,810 --> 00:05:27,120 gods but what is the difference between 120 00:05:31,610 --> 00:05:29,820 a god and an ET you can't really 121 00:05:34,580 --> 00:05:31,620 identify that and when you're trying to 122 00:05:36,610 --> 00:05:34,590 look at Sanskrit or Sumerian texts it 123 00:05:40,940 --> 00:05:36,620 pretty much is the same definition and 124 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:40,950 as an example of the plethora of these 125 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:43,710 examples talk to us about Oh Anne's Oh 126 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:46,800 honest Oh honest that's why I pronounce 127 00:05:50,930 --> 00:05:49,290 it right on he's a Babylonian God and I 128 00:05:53,420 --> 00:05:50,940 guess the possibility is that he could 129 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:53,430 have been a teacher from Atlantis coming 130 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:54,990 around to give knowledge to seemingly 131 00:05:58,460 --> 00:05:57,330 less advanced cultures tell us about 132 00:06:00,200 --> 00:05:58,470 that a little bit that's one of my 133 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:00,210 favorite examples because it alludes to 134 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:02,610 some other things too well the way I 135 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:05,010 look at it I kind of follow the 136 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:08,250 interpretation that the so called fish 137 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:11,160 man God is actually a symbolic 138 00:06:16,820 --> 00:06:14,310 representation of a man from an offworld 139 00:06:20,030 --> 00:06:16,830 civilization which possessed the 140 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:20,040 technology to have and use what we call 141 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:22,740 scuba equipment essentially you know of 142 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:24,960 their own kind and so you see the man 143 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:27,210 God depicted with the fish tail 144 00:06:32,780 --> 00:06:30,360 that was our ancient ancestors best way 145 00:06:36,110 --> 00:06:32,790 that they could describe a man who could 146 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:36,120 walk right out of the ocean and interact 147 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:38,850 in his human self and teach things 148 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:41,490 revealed things or such set himself up 149 00:06:46,010 --> 00:06:43,620 as a God if he so desired and then go 150 00:06:48,170 --> 00:06:46,020 back into the sea and swim away well to 151 00:06:50,690 --> 00:06:48,180 our ancient ancestors unfamiliar with 152 00:06:52,850 --> 00:06:50,700 for instance scuba technology if one of 153 00:06:54,890 --> 00:06:52,860 our Navy SEALs went back in time and did 154 00:06:58,130 --> 00:06:54,900 the same thing they would probably 155 00:07:01,970 --> 00:06:58,140 describe him as a fish man God you know 156 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:01,980 um I actually as I stayed in the book I 157 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:05,730 kind of embraced the theory that what 158 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:08,400 there was was a war between two 159 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:11,370 off-planet factions and that war ended 160 00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:14,250 up coming here at one point or at least 161 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:17,580 one party in that war ended up here 162 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:19,740 perhaps the losing party in fact that's 163 00:07:25,020 --> 00:07:22,450 what I proposed as a scenario and 164 00:07:28,770 --> 00:07:25,030 book is that the losing party ends up 165 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:28,780 here and they attempt to establish their 166 00:07:33,390 --> 00:07:31,030 civilization here and they teach us 167 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:33,400 humans that are here little by little 168 00:07:38,990 --> 00:07:36,490 bit by bit they teach us these pieces of 169 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:39,000 their civilization their technology and 170 00:07:46,650 --> 00:07:42,760 we are supposed to develop it over time 171 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:46,660 and perhaps their goal in doing that was 172 00:07:51,570 --> 00:07:49,510 so that we would develop a civilization 173 00:07:54,660 --> 00:07:51,580 advanced and strong enough to take on 174 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:54,670 their old phone that's what I present in 175 00:08:02,190 --> 00:07:58,690 the book and as a possible explanation 176 00:08:05,090 --> 00:08:02,200 for why say a hidden faction of this 177 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:05,100 lost civilization would have a stake in 178 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:07,570 planting these seeds of knowledge and 179 00:08:12,930 --> 00:08:10,450 maybe leading along a hermetic society 180 00:08:15,330 --> 00:08:12,940 or a group of alchemists in learning 181 00:08:17,670 --> 00:08:15,340 this stuff throughout known human 182 00:08:22,070 --> 00:08:17,680 history to me there you know there's a 183 00:08:25,970 --> 00:08:22,080 logic in that and I think that it's also 184 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:25,980 kind of a no pun intended down-to-earth 185 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:29,650 explanation because that's the kind of 186 00:08:32,910 --> 00:08:31,360 thing we can understand we can grasp 187 00:08:35,490 --> 00:08:32,920 right you know the idea of the two 188 00:08:37,950 --> 00:08:35,500 factions and the one licking its wounds 189 00:08:39,450 --> 00:08:37,960 so to speak here on earth of course I 190 00:08:42,110 --> 00:08:39,460 think that makes perfect sense 191 00:08:44,490 --> 00:08:42,120 and of course beings from the sky is 192 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:44,500 pretty much universal with ancient 193 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:46,750 cultures and beans from the sea is also 194 00:08:51,150 --> 00:08:48,910 a popular motif and it seems like 195 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:51,160 potentially a collective memory of sorts 196 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:53,290 this really is interesting because I 197 00:08:58,530 --> 00:08:55,990 also really like hearing about Aleister 198 00:09:00,750 --> 00:08:58,540 Crowley and HP Lovecraft and they have a 199 00:09:04,380 --> 00:09:00,760 bit of a tie-in to this subject as well 200 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:04,390 don't they yes they do the degree was 201 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:07,810 surprising to me and it was really quite 202 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:10,360 interesting to me as well because of the 203 00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:14,370 nature of it in a nutshell when I read 204 00:09:21,810 --> 00:09:18,190 what Peter lavinda had pointed out in 205 00:09:24,060 --> 00:09:21,820 his research that Lovecraft and his 206 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:24,070 creation of the story call of cthulhu 207 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:26,110 and the whole origin of the Cthulhu 208 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:28,570 Mythos if you look at the details in 209 00:09:33,030 --> 00:09:31,120 there they match actual details that 210 00:09:36,750 --> 00:09:33,040 Crowley had written about years before 211 00:09:39,780 --> 00:09:36,760 mm-hmm right down to the description of 212 00:09:44,460 --> 00:09:39,790 who is this strange again this fish God 213 00:09:49,220 --> 00:09:44,470 concept and this name that arose in 214 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:49,230 Crowley's look at this was - - Lu 215 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:51,910 literally pronounced just like that - - 216 00:09:57,750 --> 00:09:53,649 Lu and of course there's Lovecraft's 217 00:09:59,730 --> 00:09:57,760 Cthulhu very close now you know scholars 218 00:10:02,879 --> 00:09:59,740 have said well there's no evidence that 219 00:10:05,340 --> 00:10:02,889 crowley and Lovecraft ever met and as I 220 00:10:08,250 --> 00:10:05,350 say in the book too many times we have 221 00:10:10,769 --> 00:10:08,260 people assume that because - you know 222 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:10,779 historical figures never met therefore 223 00:10:13,829 --> 00:10:12,160 they must not have heard of each other 224 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:13,839 some people actually will conclude that 225 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:15,730 and therefore they would not be familiar 226 00:10:20,730 --> 00:10:17,680 with each other's works which is really 227 00:10:23,610 --> 00:10:20,740 absurd on the face of it because I've 228 00:10:25,769 --> 00:10:23,620 never met John Irving but I read his 229 00:10:28,079 --> 00:10:25,779 book mm-hmm how many of us have ever 230 00:10:29,790 --> 00:10:28,089 actually met the authors whose books and 231 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:29,800 works were intimately familiar with 232 00:10:34,199 --> 00:10:32,529 right so but I have heard that that you 233 00:10:35,730 --> 00:10:34,209 know well you can't show a connection 234 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:35,740 between Lovecraft and Crowley so 235 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:37,990 therefore one did not influence the 236 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:39,910 other and and that's ridiculous lavinda 237 00:10:47,189 --> 00:10:44,290 has pointed that out in great detail so 238 00:10:49,110 --> 00:10:47,199 you know I looked at that and I saw 239 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:49,120 where you know hey wait a minute that 240 00:10:53,879 --> 00:10:51,910 really fits in with the whole thing 241 00:10:56,730 --> 00:10:53,889 about awareness and this lost 242 00:10:59,850 --> 00:10:56,740 civilization idea that I had mentioned a 243 00:11:03,540 --> 00:10:59,860 few moments ago and I thought there's 244 00:11:05,970 --> 00:11:03,550 just something there and so I analyzed 245 00:11:08,340 --> 00:11:05,980 it with another scholar Setia read and 246 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:08,350 he pointed out the whole thing about the 247 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:10,930 the idea of the nameless ones and and 248 00:11:17,610 --> 00:11:13,300 how that ties in with nimza this - 249 00:11:20,250 --> 00:11:17,620 syllabic nimza and of course there we go 250 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:20,260 just with that word alone were suddenly 251 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:23,529 connected to this mysterious arrow Club 252 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:26,110 then this airship mystery these guys who 253 00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:29,740 use this mysterious technology no one 254 00:11:34,910 --> 00:11:32,440 knows where they got it and here's this 255 00:11:38,250 --> 00:11:34,920 word connecting this ancient lost 256 00:11:41,550 --> 00:11:38,260 strange tradition and this airship 257 00:11:44,939 --> 00:11:41,560 mystery thing going on so the closer I 258 00:11:47,610 --> 00:11:44,949 looked interestingly the more it made 259 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:47,620 sense that there was some type of line 260 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:50,470 of connection there right okay 261 00:11:54,210 --> 00:11:52,480 based on descriptions in the Mahabharata 262 00:11:56,550 --> 00:11:54,220 ancient cave drawings that look like 263 00:11:58,770 --> 00:11:56,560 plasma discharges and descriptions of 264 00:12:00,780 --> 00:11:58,780 the gods we do get a good sense that 265 00:12:02,850 --> 00:12:00,790 there's something to know and talk to us 266 00:12:05,340 --> 00:12:02,860 about the reconstruction what can be 267 00:12:07,050 --> 00:12:05,350 said about the tracking or uncovering of 268 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:07,060 some of the stuff before we get up to 269 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:09,780 the 19th century how far back can we go 270 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:13,810 we can go as far back as we know the 271 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:17,650 Hermetic tradition you know hermetic 272 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:19,510 organizations the organizations that 273 00:12:24,300 --> 00:12:21,970 were conveying through there 274 00:12:27,390 --> 00:12:24,310 we call them secret societies now right 275 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:27,400 as far back as the histories of those go 276 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:30,360 that's how I believe we can trace the 277 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:32,530 carrying out of this knowledge because I 278 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:34,990 think it was through these hermetic 279 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:37,510 organizations through the centuries that 280 00:12:43,380 --> 00:12:40,390 the guys in the 19th century came to 281 00:12:46,380 --> 00:12:43,390 know this information right on and in 282 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:46,390 the book I think you started or one of 283 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:48,730 the major nodes on that timeline would 284 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:51,310 be Alexandria mhm and then from there I 285 00:12:57,270 --> 00:12:53,260 guess you go to the Knights Templar sure 286 00:12:59,690 --> 00:12:57,280 to Freemasonry right exactly the Library 287 00:13:03,330 --> 00:12:59,700 of Alexandria as we've heard and is 288 00:13:05,820 --> 00:13:03,340 documented throughout history was really 289 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:05,830 the place where a lot of this knowledge 290 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:09,340 was gathered in one place you know and 291 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:10,810 this was what we called the the 292 00:13:15,450 --> 00:13:12,730 so-called pre-flood whatever that 293 00:13:17,790 --> 00:13:15,460 disaster was that our traditions have 294 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:17,800 mythologized into the great flood 295 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:19,630 whatever that disaster was that struck 296 00:13:24,750 --> 00:13:21,970 the earth the Library of Alexandria was 297 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:24,760 said to have had all this knowledge the 298 00:13:29,250 --> 00:13:27,130 the wisdom the technology and such prior 299 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:29,260 to that cataclysmic event and then of 300 00:13:34,410 --> 00:13:30,910 course after the destruction of the 301 00:13:36,450 --> 00:13:34,420 library by religious maniacs both 302 00:13:38,420 --> 00:13:36,460 Christian and Muslim that were 303 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:38,430 responsible for destroying that library 304 00:13:45,210 --> 00:13:42,730 this information is dispersed and ends 305 00:13:47,850 --> 00:13:45,220 up in various places and yes that's how 306 00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:47,860 the Knights Templar who we know operate 307 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:50,320 very much like a hermetic seeker Society 308 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:52,480 that's how it gets into their hands 309 00:13:58,830 --> 00:13:56,110 primarily in the Fourth Crusade a lot of 310 00:14:01,320 --> 00:13:58,840 it from Constantinople and then from 311 00:14:03,180 --> 00:14:01,330 there I think most of your listeners are 312 00:14:04,079 --> 00:14:03,190 probably familiar with the Templar and 313 00:14:06,749 --> 00:14:04,089 their turn 314 00:14:08,850 --> 00:14:06,759 and what they're involved with and and 315 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:08,860 there it is in Europe you know they 316 00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:11,470 bring it to Europe and that's how your 317 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:14,079 Prussian organization's your Prussian 318 00:14:17,670 --> 00:14:15,730 alchemist your Prussian her medicines 319 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:17,680 that's how it gets into their hands 320 00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:21,550 because of the German faction of the the 321 00:14:25,889 --> 00:14:23,920 Knights Templar excuse me I'm doing a 322 00:14:28,170 --> 00:14:25,899 complete brain hi the Teutonic Knights 323 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:28,180 thank you very much as the Teutonic 324 00:14:33,449 --> 00:14:31,110 Knights were among the beneficiaries of 325 00:14:36,989 --> 00:14:33,459 this information during the Fourth 326 00:14:38,369 --> 00:14:36,999 Crusade mm-hmm and voila there's your 327 00:14:41,309 --> 00:14:38,379 Prussian connection right there 328 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:41,319 so whatever organization hermetic secret 329 00:14:44,999 --> 00:14:42,550 society or whatever you want to call it 330 00:14:46,439 --> 00:14:45,009 our chemical tradition whatever between 331 00:14:50,189 --> 00:14:46,449 the Teutonic Knights and these guys in 332 00:14:51,780 --> 00:14:50,199 the 19th century and I point out by name 333 00:14:53,999 --> 00:14:51,790 in many cases who that could have been 334 00:14:57,210 --> 00:14:54,009 in the book there you go there's your 335 00:14:57,449 --> 00:14:57,220 line and it's the line that we're aware 336 00:15:05,040 --> 00:14:57,459 of 337 00:15:07,619 --> 00:15:05,050 Alexandria to the Knights Templar 338 00:15:09,869 --> 00:15:07,629 Freemasonry the Royal Society to the 339 00:15:11,699 --> 00:15:09,879 angelic society to these Russian 340 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:11,709 nationalists via the Teutonic Knights 341 00:15:17,999 --> 00:15:15,730 and remember remember from the Library 342 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:18,009 of Alexandria a lot of this information 343 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:19,600 as I point out was in two or three other 344 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:23,050 similar locations and so you do I do 345 00:15:29,129 --> 00:15:26,290 identify that step between Alexandria 346 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:29,139 and Constantinople that is the logical 347 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:31,360 step but yeah you got it that's that's 348 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:33,970 the trail there is no hole between 349 00:15:38,910 --> 00:15:35,769 Alexandria and Constantinople that's 350 00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:38,920 wide and gaping there is a connection in 351 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:42,399 there but yeah right so this is where 352 00:15:47,730 --> 00:15:44,620 you know fuel really gets thrown on the 353 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:47,740 fire when this information reaches this 354 00:15:52,829 --> 00:15:50,170 Prussian group that the book and the 355 00:15:57,179 --> 00:15:52,839 saga is largely about tell us about the 356 00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:57,189 nimza the nimza Wow what do we know 357 00:16:05,059 --> 00:16:00,639 about the nimza within the context of 358 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:05,069 the airship mystery nimza first 359 00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:08,910 chronologically arises with this 360 00:16:16,289 --> 00:16:12,639 mysterious Sonora Aero Club of Sonora 361 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:16,299 California the the Gold Country west of 362 00:16:22,139 --> 00:16:17,710 Yosemite 363 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:22,149 and nimza is according to Charles del 364 00:16:30,630 --> 00:16:26,890 Chou the secretive German organization 365 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:30,640 that oversees what the Sonora Aero Club 366 00:16:35,340 --> 00:16:32,770 is doing and not just the Sonora Aero 367 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:35,350 Club del Shaw alludes to there being 368 00:16:40,769 --> 00:16:36,850 other groups but he does not identify 369 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:40,779 them he in his story and his writing 370 00:16:46,889 --> 00:16:44,290 says that he was sent by nimza on behalf 371 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:46,899 of nimza to go visit the Sonora Aero 372 00:16:50,910 --> 00:16:48,610 Club and observe and report their 373 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:50,920 progress and he ends up really liking 374 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:52,510 these guys thinking they're pretty sharp 375 00:16:58,170 --> 00:16:54,610 especially the leader of them 376 00:16:59,519 --> 00:16:58,180 Peter menace and you know he gets 377 00:17:02,750 --> 00:16:59,529 involved with their activities 378 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:02,760 he never identifies what nimza 379 00:17:07,049 --> 00:17:05,140 specifically means he always spells it 380 00:17:10,199 --> 00:17:07,059 out in all capital letters like an an 381 00:17:18,270 --> 00:17:10,209 acronym it's just always shown as an 382 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:18,280 acronym and it's n ym z a and many 383 00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:20,050 people have are a few people have tried 384 00:17:25,949 --> 00:17:22,000 to translate what that meant because in 385 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:25,959 the 1890s 40 years later remember we 386 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:28,510 have an airship mystery that was in all 387 00:17:33,060 --> 00:17:30,370 the newspapers and often gets talked 388 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:33,070 about these days in relation to our our 389 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:38,260 UFO phenomena mm-hmm and nimza is 390 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:42,280 mentioned during that period some 391 00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:44,830 researchers point to the names of being 392 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:47,679 involved with the part of the airship 393 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:50,410 mystery of the 1890s that is connected 394 00:17:58,830 --> 00:17:55,090 to a man named John W Keeley who was 395 00:18:02,010 --> 00:17:58,840 doing stuff on the probably on the same 396 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:02,020 level of advancement as Tesla but coming 397 00:18:09,180 --> 00:18:05,710 about it from a different angle and so 398 00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:09,190 we have this nimza connected with the 399 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:10,960 Sonora Aero Club that he merges with the 400 00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:12,910 writings of Charles Dell Shah which are 401 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,030 discovered in the late sixties by pete 402 00:18:20,419 --> 00:18:18,400 navarro but then we have the nihms that 403 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:20,429 connected with the what is 404 00:18:25,169 --> 00:18:22,690 chronologically 40 years after the 405 00:18:28,890 --> 00:18:25,179 Senora Senora Aero Club connected with 406 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:28,900 these New York money men and Kili who 407 00:18:34,670 --> 00:18:32,010 was also in New York and such so 408 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:34,680 people had a tendency to want to 409 00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:37,770 interpret nimza in ymca is New York 410 00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:40,260 something or other in one of the best 411 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:42,590 was the New York motor Zephyr 412 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:44,970 Association for lack of a better thing 413 00:18:49,730 --> 00:18:47,490 and and I you know it made logical sense 414 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:49,740 when you just look at nimza within the 415 00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:53,250 New York context what I did however was 416 00:19:00,740 --> 00:18:57,120 I said to myself that the really del 417 00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:00,750 Chou is the guy who connects an Enzo to 418 00:19:04,580 --> 00:19:02,760 the group in the 1850s and they were a 419 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:04,590 German group with a few Italian 420 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,770 immigrants but they were this group of 421 00:19:13,490 --> 00:19:09,600 German immigrants in California doing 422 00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:13,500 this and del shall said nimza was 423 00:19:20,690 --> 00:19:19,380 headquartered in Germany so I thought if 424 00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:20,700 we're gonna interpret this or hope to 425 00:19:25,070 --> 00:19:22,620 identify it we're gonna have to look at 426 00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,080 it in German terms not limited to New 427 00:19:32,210 --> 00:19:28,080 York and why in my opinion might mean 428 00:19:34,370 --> 00:19:32,220 something else so I kind of reverse 429 00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:34,380 engineered the acronym looking at 430 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:36,390 various German words and I did come up 431 00:19:41,060 --> 00:19:39,090 with a translation a proposed 432 00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:41,070 translation which I couldn't repeat it 433 00:19:47,180 --> 00:19:44,640 to you right now if you paid me but it's 434 00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:47,190 all in the book in the German how and 435 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:49,140 why I translate it the way I did the 436 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:51,570 fact that I did consult people who were 437 00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:53,850 more expert with the German language and 438 00:20:00,050 --> 00:19:57,360 they in turn consulted native German 439 00:20:01,790 --> 00:20:00,060 speakers and you know I I've only had a 440 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:01,800 couple of people say well I wouldn't 441 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,630 interpret it that way most people and I 442 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:05,280 mean people familiar with German and the 443 00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:07,170 native speakers have agreed with my 444 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:09,900 interpretation that I didn't get crazy 445 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:11,490 with the language it makes sense to the 446 00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:13,890 drive and basically what we end up with 447 00:20:22,540 --> 00:20:17,820 is nimza in the 19th century into the 448 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:22,550 20th century context was a Prussian 449 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:26,400 nationalist group not an official German 450 00:20:31,310 --> 00:20:28,890 group you have to remember in the 1850s 451 00:20:33,170 --> 00:20:31,320 the Germany we know today was still 452 00:20:35,690 --> 00:20:33,180 trying to form what it was back then was 453 00:20:39,260 --> 00:20:35,700 a bunch of states trying to come 454 00:20:41,660 --> 00:20:39,270 together with a German identity and this 455 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:41,670 German nationalism national identity was 456 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:45,510 being led by the the Prussian element 457 00:20:54,140 --> 00:20:50,760 okay and so this nimza in my opinion was 458 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:54,150 a prussian nationalist organization so 459 00:20:59,030 --> 00:20:56,250 therefore it was private it was not a 460 00:21:00,740 --> 00:20:59,040 government entity mainly because the 461 00:21:02,539 --> 00:21:00,750 government they had at the time you know 462 00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:02,549 would not have been able to do something 463 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:04,950 like this it was a private organization 464 00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:07,049 Mike like a government contractor today 465 00:21:13,159 --> 00:21:11,070 that had at its disposal bankers people 466 00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:13,169 with the money and the industrialist and 467 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:14,760 of course the men that would have had 468 00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:16,530 the knowledge and I identify several of 469 00:21:20,510 --> 00:21:19,230 them from the period and then going 470 00:21:24,370 --> 00:21:20,520 through the rest of the 19th century 471 00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:24,380 into the 20th all the way up showing the 472 00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:28,230 logical progression connecting them to 473 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:31,919 the Nazis of World War two fame mm-hmm 474 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:37,290 and again like I say in the book what 475 00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:39,150 I'm trying to do is pick the best 476 00:21:43,610 --> 00:21:42,120 possible candidates the the best 477 00:21:46,250 --> 00:21:43,620 possible suspects 478 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:46,260 if this nimza organization that del 479 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:48,330 shell says existed really did exist and 480 00:21:54,289 --> 00:21:52,049 if the logic that I've followed is how 481 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:54,299 and why they existed what I did was I 482 00:21:58,700 --> 00:21:56,700 look at the the men at the time who 483 00:22:01,460 --> 00:21:58,710 would have been the most likely suspects 484 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:01,470 okay mm-hmm and then what's interesting 485 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:05,460 is those guys led up into the late 19th 486 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:07,110 century early 20th century they led to 487 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:10,410 the Nazis okay well and we know we know 488 00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:14,250 that the Nazis were doing some pretty 489 00:22:20,299 --> 00:22:17,400 spooky stuff technology-wise we suspect 490 00:22:23,060 --> 00:22:20,309 that they were inspired in some cases by 491 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:23,070 maybe lost ancient knowledge that they 492 00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:25,290 had uncovered but the biggest shocker 493 00:22:31,370 --> 00:22:28,980 was the connection of this 1850 Sonora 494 00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,380 aero club technology to the Nazi bell 495 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:33,120 that was a doozy 496 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:35,850 right and I do want to get into that but 497 00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:38,610 I wanted to throw out a quote from your 498 00:22:42,620 --> 00:22:40,620 book where you say it is in the 18th 499 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:42,630 century that we find our most direct 500 00:22:46,580 --> 00:22:44,610 influences on the Prussian circles that 501 00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:46,590 were likely to have inspired the men who 502 00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:48,600 would pursue airship technology in the 503 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:51,000 following century the humanists Age of 504 00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,650 Enlightenment was a period of much 505 00:22:57,740 --> 00:22:54,960 alchemy and mysticism in the Kingdom of 506 00:22:58,770 --> 00:22:57,750 Prussia and I love that and seems like 507 00:23:01,050 --> 00:22:58,780 you know what 508 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:01,060 dr. ferral would call the hidden side of 509 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:03,010 physics a lot of people were messing 510 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:04,890 with this stuff at the time Tesla and 511 00:23:10,650 --> 00:23:09,100 this Peter Manus guy also but you know 512 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:10,660 it makes me wonder what happened because 513 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:12,430 of course the Vatican had a serious 514 00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,770 campaign to ban magic and mysticism and 515 00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:16,720 kill off people using it but even years 516 00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:18,700 later we hear that Isaac Newton had a 517 00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:21,040 huge alchemy library how did this 518 00:23:26,370 --> 00:23:23,230 movement of Philosopher's scientists as 519 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:26,380 you say get so overrun by material 520 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:29,290 sciences well quite frankly they got 521 00:23:35,010 --> 00:23:32,170 outnumbered this is what happened you 522 00:23:36,990 --> 00:23:35,020 know we can jump over to the Burton book 523 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:37,000 in that particular instance because I 524 00:23:41,970 --> 00:23:39,190 talked about that in the Burton book how 525 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:41,980 they just simply got outnumbered they 526 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:44,410 got outnumbered by the bean counters the 527 00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,090 guys that were just all about it's got 528 00:23:51,390 --> 00:23:48,880 to be pure 100% materialist count those 529 00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:51,400 beans we don't want to hear any 530 00:23:58,620 --> 00:23:55,960 philosophy you know and in 1830 I 531 00:24:00,510 --> 00:23:58,630 believe it was when these guys the bean 532 00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:00,520 counters the materialist finally just 533 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:02,830 outnumbered the other guys they just 534 00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:04,930 took a vote and essentially took over 535 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:07,030 the Royal Society and this is what I'm 536 00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:08,410 referring to with the bean counters is 537 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:10,420 the Royal Society because that's the 538 00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:12,760 context of the Burton book and that's an 539 00:24:19,890 --> 00:24:14,560 example of what happened across the 540 00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,900 board in this murky world of science and 541 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:22,240 technology and philosopher scientists 542 00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:25,210 and her medicines in the 19th century it 543 00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:28,860 was just simply numbers Darwinism and 544 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:32,460 atheism became much more popular and 545 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:36,210 there you go it was very easy to embrace 546 00:24:41,010 --> 00:24:39,250 the material side of things and and you 547 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:41,020 know think about it it is logical you 548 00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:42,400 know there you are trying to understand 549 00:24:46,620 --> 00:24:43,960 things scientifically you want to be 550 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:46,630 able to recreate your results in a lab 551 00:24:50,850 --> 00:24:48,490 right that's what the process is all 552 00:24:53,250 --> 00:24:50,860 about do those experiments recreate 553 00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:53,260 those results you know we can say this 554 00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:55,630 is so if you do this this will happen 555 00:25:00,900 --> 00:24:58,810 and that's how yeah our understanding of 556 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:00,910 the world around us through science 557 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:02,890 that's how it advanced greatly and we 558 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:06,070 have all this great stuff I mean it 559 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:09,550 makes sense it's logical however I think 560 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:12,370 it is also a case of maybe throwing out 561 00:25:15,899 --> 00:25:12,970 the baby 562 00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,909 uh with the bathwater of our thing when 563 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:17,679 the materialists took over in their 564 00:25:24,210 --> 00:25:20,380 enthusiasm they were kind of like the 565 00:25:26,580 --> 00:25:24,220 snarky trolls of their day when they 566 00:25:30,270 --> 00:25:26,590 when they took over you know they just 567 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:30,280 cast it all out when maybe they should 568 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:31,690 have kept those little nuggets and 569 00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:33,400 gemstones that the Philosopher's 570 00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,470 scientists that her medicine indeed 571 00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,840 possessed because I think you know you 572 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:39,520 mentioned before the hidden physics I 573 00:25:44,399 --> 00:25:41,950 think the guys driving the hidden 574 00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:44,409 physics that we suspect and we see 575 00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:47,110 little glimmers of evidence of I think 576 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:48,820 that they did not throw the baby out 577 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:50,590 with the bathwater I think they they 578 00:25:57,539 --> 00:25:54,130 kept the little gemstones and pursued a 579 00:25:59,730 --> 00:25:57,549 different way okay I'm with you there so 580 00:26:01,470 --> 00:25:59,740 let's talk about how these airships 581 00:26:02,730 --> 00:26:01,480 would fly like you mentioned its 582 00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:02,740 connection to the Nazi bell technology 583 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:05,500 because people look at these images of 584 00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:09,130 dehl shower they hear the 1897 airship 585 00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:10,840 mystery and they think okay somebody had 586 00:26:14,010 --> 00:26:12,940 hot-air balloons or something that's 587 00:26:16,380 --> 00:26:14,020 absolutely not the case 588 00:26:18,779 --> 00:26:16,390 talk to us about the soup Peter Manus 589 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:18,789 and and how these things worked well 590 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:21,010 here's the interesting thing again we 591 00:26:25,380 --> 00:26:22,809 still don't know exactly what we have 592 00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,390 are the descriptions that are left to us 593 00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:28,240 in the works of del Chou and in in the 594 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,980 witness reports in the airship mystery 595 00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:31,600 you know I'd like to throw out there too 596 00:26:38,399 --> 00:26:35,470 that I have heard scholars alleged 597 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:38,409 scholars just completely of the UFO 598 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:40,809 phenomena in history these scholars will 599 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:43,090 they'll only go back as far as world war 600 00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:45,570 two in some cases only as far back as 601 00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:48,190 1947 with Kenneth Arnold which is 602 00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:51,280 hilarious that they stop there and if 603 00:26:55,169 --> 00:26:53,350 they go back farther they don't really 604 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:55,179 dig into the airship mystery and I've 605 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:56,530 heard them you know they do it often 606 00:27:01,289 --> 00:26:58,570 they just dismiss the airship mystery 607 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:01,299 and they repeat something that's not 608 00:27:07,649 --> 00:27:04,809 exactly true they repeat this idea that 609 00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:07,659 all these airship sightings stories in 610 00:27:13,409 --> 00:27:09,990 the papers were all an April Fool's joke 611 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:13,419 well these things were reported for 612 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:14,049 months 613 00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:16,210 not just in April you know of the given 614 00:27:22,289 --> 00:27:19,780 years 1896 1897 and so forth these 615 00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:22,299 things were seen by hundreds of people 616 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:25,320 thousands of people over cities and such 617 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:27,809 and when you take an honest look at it 618 00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:30,090 you find that these guys who were 619 00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:32,039 dismissing this is just the big April 620 00:27:36,139 --> 00:27:33,960 Fool's joke or these newspaper men made 621 00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:36,149 this all up all the newspaper men across 622 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:39,720 the u.s. made this all up because Wow it 623 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,370 just suddenly you know allegedly made 624 00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:42,960 them millionaires because it sold so 625 00:27:47,389 --> 00:27:45,059 many copies no that wasn't the case and 626 00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:47,399 an honest researcher an honest scholar 627 00:27:53,419 --> 00:27:50,960 will find that the dismissal is based on 628 00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:53,429 really just kind of a lazy falsehood 629 00:27:59,869 --> 00:27:55,620 when you look closely at this you see 630 00:28:03,490 --> 00:27:59,879 that the technology described and 631 00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:03,500 depicted by Dell show in his drawings is 632 00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,179 curiously just like what people were 633 00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:08,700 witnessing in the 1890s only of course 634 00:28:15,740 --> 00:28:11,909 in the 1890s it was more advanced but it 635 00:28:19,879 --> 00:28:15,750 involved rotation these objects that 636 00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:19,889 spin and rotate and it did involve this 637 00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:23,340 stuff called soup which dal shall 638 00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,279 spelled su PE because remember he's from 639 00:28:31,369 --> 00:28:28,799 Germany himself and he was struggling 640 00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:31,379 with English there for a while but he 641 00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:33,590 called it soup and it was this green 642 00:28:42,619 --> 00:28:37,740 liquid that only Petr Menace knew the 643 00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:42,629 exact ingredients of and with this soup 644 00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:46,230 the small amount of this soup in this 645 00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:49,860 vaguely described motor Peter menace and 646 00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:51,539 the other guys who successfully flew 647 00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,350 their arrows that spelled AE RO who 648 00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:56,720 successfully flew these things 649 00:29:03,740 --> 00:28:59,159 essentially achieved a form of 650 00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:03,750 anti-gravity which could also provide 651 00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:07,080 propulsion what's really interesting is 652 00:29:13,249 --> 00:29:10,860 in the 1890s the witnesses there's one 653 00:29:17,379 --> 00:29:13,259 in particular that's brought aboard one 654 00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:17,389 of these airships and he sees spinning 655 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:22,500 apparatus okay and it's activated by a 656 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,980 gentle tapping of these phalanges of 657 00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,360 metal fingers of metal that just kind of 658 00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:29,580 stick out from whatever the propulsion 659 00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,860 device is and the pilot just kind of 660 00:29:35,869 --> 00:29:33,600 gently taps it so there you have a 661 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:35,879 vibration which then starts getting 662 00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:38,170 everything rotating and the 663 00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:41,920 this spin it's just with the vibration 664 00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:44,670 and the spin it activates this 665 00:29:51,419 --> 00:29:49,150 anti-gravity effect hmmm now you've got 666 00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:51,429 the spin you go back to menace you've 667 00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:54,040 got the soup of the liquid now jump 668 00:29:57,930 --> 00:29:55,720 ahead to the world war two arrow with 669 00:30:00,060 --> 00:29:57,940 this legend of the Bell which igor 670 00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,070 witkowski and Joseph Farrell and others 671 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:02,080 have written about and what do you have 672 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:04,390 you have this object that's two parts 673 00:30:09,930 --> 00:30:07,510 that rotate they counter rotate but they 674 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:09,940 spin one set inside the other and what's 675 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:13,530 pumped between them is this serum this 676 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,590 you know secretive serum recipe so that 677 00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:19,840 sounds like Peter Menace you got the 678 00:30:24,419 --> 00:30:22,120 rotating object and you've got the 679 00:30:27,299 --> 00:30:24,429 strange liquid but here's the real 680 00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:27,309 kicker to this in a couple of del shells 681 00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:31,390 drawings one of the central pieces of 682 00:30:37,770 --> 00:30:33,700 the apparatus that make these arrows fly 683 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:37,780 is a rotating spinning object that is 684 00:30:45,780 --> 00:30:42,450 shaped like a bell and this was drawn 685 00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,790 years before we're told the Nazis 686 00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:48,240 started messing with the Bell right and 687 00:30:56,340 --> 00:30:52,420 it's depicting something that he said 688 00:30:59,010 --> 00:30:56,350 was used in the 1850s well that right 689 00:31:02,090 --> 00:30:59,020 there led me to follow the thread which 690 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:02,100 I lay out in the book in detail showing 691 00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:06,010 how this technology used by these German 692 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:10,360 guys in California secretly led to this 693 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:13,750 same kind of technological idea in the 694 00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:16,210 1890s airships but more advanced and 695 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:19,540 then how that would have led to what the 696 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:21,130 Nazis were doing and what's the thread 697 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:22,390 we have through all of this 698 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:25,090 we got the German guys in the beginning 699 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:27,250 who were doing this and then you got the 700 00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:30,970 the German Nazis mm-hmm and I explained 701 00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:34,350 in the book about the American group 702 00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:36,630 that 703 00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,060 stood up during the Civil War era the 704 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:42,000 post-civil war era right and how it 705 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:43,620 connects into all of this 706 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:47,130 but how still the Germans were in there 707 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:49,410 because you had mention of nimza 708 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:51,510 connected with the airship mystery and 709 00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:54,120 that goes into how I point out and why I 710 00:31:59,270 --> 00:31:55,740 point out that I think there were two 711 00:32:01,340 --> 00:31:59,280 factions doing this right at that time 712 00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:01,350 but the point is you do and in the book 713 00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:03,540 demonstrates the German thread that runs 714 00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:05,460 through all this so you see there is a 715 00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:09,260 logic behind where the Nazis might have 716 00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:11,790 got this information to begin with to 717 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:13,140 start messing with something like the 718 00:32:18,290 --> 00:32:16,290 Bell yeah I love it I think it's such an 719 00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:18,300 interesting saga and it like I mentioned 720 00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:20,190 in the intro it extends the timeline we 721 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:22,590 hear about this one pocket of time with 722 00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:24,930 the World War 2 era but it doesn't go 723 00:32:30,380 --> 00:32:27,480 prior to that it doesn't go back into 724 00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,390 history further and I think you're 725 00:32:34,790 --> 00:32:32,220 nailing on some really interesting stuff 726 00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:34,800 and talk to us about telluric currents 727 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:36,540 in the earth this is also part of the 728 00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:40,770 technology right yes I think personally 729 00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,140 that if you map out where the sightings 730 00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,080 were reported in the 1890s mystery and 731 00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:48,720 when you look at where the Sonora Aero 732 00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,820 Club was active those of you have heard 733 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:52,440 me before and a familiar with my work 734 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:55,110 know that I have presented information 735 00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,730 regarding the idea that there are 736 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:00,000 telluric current ley lines too popularly 737 00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:02,190 phrase it technically a ley line is 738 00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,630 something else but you know it has 739 00:33:07,460 --> 00:33:05,700 become to mean these energy lines 740 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:07,470 through the earth connected to the world 741 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:09,570 grid essentially these are what power 742 00:33:15,290 --> 00:33:12,090 the world grid that Tesla talked about 743 00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:15,300 and worked with and in my opinion when 744 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:17,190 you map out the airship sightings and 745 00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:19,530 the activities of the arrow club you 746 00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,240 find that they correlate to wear these 747 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:26,460 telluric currents have been identified 748 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:30,210 or proposed to exist by scholars other 749 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:33,330 than me I do have a map created for me 750 00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:36,930 in sent to me in 2009 2010 that the date 751 00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:39,150 is on the tube when I received it in the 752 00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:42,150 mail that predates my writing of this 753 00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:45,440 stuff and so I referred to the map and 754 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:49,020 there it is I mean the the sightings of 755 00:33:53,290 --> 00:33:50,450 these airships report 756 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:53,300 in the 1890s there they are just they 757 00:33:57,610 --> 00:33:55,460 they kind of you can see almost like 758 00:34:01,180 --> 00:33:57,620 where they would have followed these 759 00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,190 currents like a track almost and I argue 760 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:03,200 I proposed in the book I suggest this 761 00:34:08,830 --> 00:34:06,050 that these airships connect themselves 762 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:08,840 to the world grid that's kind of part of 763 00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:11,090 how they work and what they follow and 764 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:13,070 when you're familiar with what Tesla 765 00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,410 wanted to do with ships at sea and 766 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:18,320 aerial platforms he also was gonna power 767 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:20,450 them with the world grid so it's 768 00:34:26,140 --> 00:34:22,490 certainly not an original idea with me I 769 00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:26,150 was able to just show where hey what 770 00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:28,520 Tesla said looks like maybe somebody was 771 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:31,910 already doing yeah man and you know you 772 00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,250 can also throw UFOs in here with this 773 00:34:38,170 --> 00:34:36,560 Nazi Bell and airship stuff because 774 00:34:40,390 --> 00:34:38,180 we're talking about anti-gravity we're 775 00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,400 talking about rotation which is you know 776 00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:42,800 text book flying saucer stuff right and 777 00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:44,780 you know also there are people who have 778 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:47,150 written books about the fact that flying 779 00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:49,130 saucers if you map all the sightings 780 00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:51,740 they exist along a couple of certain 781 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:53,480 parallels they've acknowledged that 782 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:55,610 there might be a connection to the earth 783 00:34:59,830 --> 00:34:56,930 grid so I think you might be onto 784 00:35:02,410 --> 00:34:59,840 something there you know I I think so 785 00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:02,420 we'll see I always like to say I could 786 00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:04,580 be completely wrong about all that right 787 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:07,220 so it's this is not an area where we get 788 00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:08,930 a lot of definitive answers that's true 789 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:10,760 right you kind of have to decide for 790 00:35:15,010 --> 00:35:12,290 yourself when you look at the evidence 791 00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:15,020 that's out there right and you know you 792 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:16,790 mentioned a little bit about the 793 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:19,490 vibration the tapping of the the 794 00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:22,370 technology and sound and vibration 795 00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,900 technologies are something we've heard 796 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:25,280 about before you know that's the 797 00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:27,650 implication at Coral Castle have they 798 00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:29,390 come up in any other area of your 799 00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,190 research and uncovering the types of 800 00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:33,920 technologies and Sciences that these 801 00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:35,870 secret groups were looking at well 802 00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:37,310 here's the interesting thing this whole 803 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:39,830 thing with sound and vibration was very 804 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:42,410 deeply a part of the work of John W 805 00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:44,450 Keeley who I mentioned before and how 806 00:35:49,330 --> 00:35:46,550 Keeley got tied into this whole airship 807 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:49,340 mystery was due to his very 808 00:35:53,970 --> 00:35:51,770 controversial I might add he was called 809 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:53,980 a fraud in his own lifetime and 810 00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:56,290 you know it was very controversial but 811 00:36:00,960 --> 00:35:58,710 he was the darling of the New York 812 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:00,970 spiritualist and what we would call New 813 00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:03,850 Age set of the time which happened to 814 00:36:11,099 --> 00:36:08,560 also be part of the you know the high 815 00:36:14,849 --> 00:36:11,109 society the wealthy the people that were 816 00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,859 supposedly the financers of some of 817 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:16,480 these airships and such which is where 818 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:17,770 they got the idea that it was a new 819 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:19,690 york-based group because there were New 820 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:22,780 York investors according to you know the 821 00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:25,690 airship mystery and del Chou and such so 822 00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:27,940 there you have it you've got a guy who 823 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:32,590 was essentially the Tesla of sound and 824 00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:35,650 vibration type technology of his day and 825 00:36:40,859 --> 00:36:37,750 those two guys I don't think they ever 826 00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:40,869 met that they were both up for they were 827 00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:42,460 competing against each other at one 828 00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:45,940 point in the late 1800s for money from I 829 00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,600 think it was a stir hmm who you know I 830 00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:52,140 go into that in the book of course and 831 00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:54,760 you also have then later in the 20th 832 00:36:59,520 --> 00:36:56,920 century you have viktor schauberger who 833 00:37:02,670 --> 00:36:59,530 he got into the the whole thing with 834 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:02,680 rotation and the flow of water and such 835 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:05,170 and basically what are we talking about 836 00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:06,609 here between Tesla Keeley and 837 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:07,390 schauberger 838 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:10,030 you've got these guys who were taking 839 00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:13,050 their discovered knowledge of 840 00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:15,480 little-known or maybe little-noticed 841 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:18,460 natural forces and doing things with 842 00:37:23,550 --> 00:37:22,210 them that people had done before that's 843 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:23,560 what's so interesting to me about the 844 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:25,690 notion that this is lost technology or 845 00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:29,310 lost information because we think of our 846 00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:31,900 technology and things like iPhones and 847 00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,240 satellites and they're very mechanical 848 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:36,880 you know obviously they're very man-made 849 00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,770 and we think of all the things that you 850 00:37:42,090 --> 00:37:40,480 need to get to before you get to 851 00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:42,100 something like an iPhone or a satellite 852 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:43,869 right then you try to extrapolate that 853 00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,250 in the ancient world it doesn't really 854 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:46,960 work because we don't have a bunch of 855 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:49,090 trash heaps everywhere you know sitting 856 00:37:54,090 --> 00:37:51,310 outside of Gobekli Tepe or something but 857 00:37:56,820 --> 00:37:54,100 these more natural technologies that 858 00:37:59,760 --> 00:37:56,830 seem to be just as powerful if not more 859 00:38:02,070 --> 00:37:59,770 and embedded in the earth or in our 860 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:02,080 environment I mean this might get into 861 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:03,850 something like ether theory and alchemy 862 00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:06,490 but this stuff is is really where the 863 00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:07,180 minds 864 00:38:12,299 --> 00:38:09,670 that for me because it just makes so 865 00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:12,309 much more sense that any civilization or 866 00:38:17,819 --> 00:38:14,200 culture could pick it up and develop it 867 00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:17,829 right so right on on the subject of the 868 00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,020 relevancy of this arrow club being in 869 00:38:26,099 --> 00:38:22,720 Southern California you tie it into the 870 00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:26,109 California Gold Rush in 18-49 because 871 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:27,760 these guys messing with this stuff are 872 00:38:31,799 --> 00:38:29,530 into E so Tara arts and alchemy and you 873 00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:31,809 note that when you say we've all heard 874 00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:33,910 of alchemist making gold but might they 875 00:38:40,260 --> 00:38:36,670 not also possess knowledge of where and 876 00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,270 how nature processes gold and that is a 877 00:38:43,470 --> 00:38:41,920 pretty big eye-opener man talk to us 878 00:38:45,569 --> 00:38:43,480 about that piece and how this might be 879 00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:45,579 relevant that the Gold Rush took place 880 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:47,020 in the same area where these guys are 881 00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:49,050 messing with this kind of stuff 882 00:38:53,339 --> 00:38:51,220 we'll see and isn't that interesting 883 00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:53,349 right they're just what you said I'll 884 00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:55,270 tell you the the most I know about it 885 00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:56,950 comes from a guy who I mentioned before 886 00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:00,160 seseri who wrote a book titled the 887 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:03,880 handprint of atlas now mr. hurry is kind 888 00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:06,220 of withdrawn from public life and he 889 00:39:12,089 --> 00:39:09,670 asked me to take all his books off the 890 00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:12,099 market hmm I published them through my 891 00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:14,950 company and so his books are no longer 892 00:39:19,319 --> 00:39:16,569 available but somebody out there might 893 00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:19,329 have a copy a printed copy of a hand 894 00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:21,270 print of Atlas and in that book he 895 00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:25,119 describes how yes the powers that be so 896 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:27,400 to speak through these kinds of things 897 00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:29,410 I'm talking about how airship mystery 898 00:39:33,809 --> 00:39:31,630 clubs form you know you get guys with 899 00:39:36,539 --> 00:39:33,819 knowledge right and these guys would 900 00:39:38,789 --> 00:39:36,549 knowledge find their way into government 901 00:39:41,539 --> 00:39:38,799 positions you know leadership positions 902 00:39:43,950 --> 00:39:41,549 in organizations that have the means to 903 00:39:47,099 --> 00:39:43,960 pursue things like gold mining and such 904 00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:47,109 but somewhere along the way these guys 905 00:39:53,370 --> 00:39:49,720 had figured out how to read the terrain 906 00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:53,380 of the earth and how to read you know 907 00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:55,030 they probably did a little reverse 908 00:40:00,480 --> 00:39:57,089 engineering where gold had been found 909 00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:00,490 prior and they figured out that they 910 00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:03,720 could identify by a particular 911 00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:07,750 geophysical feature which mr. hurry 912 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:11,140 identifies as a Hajj in his book and 913 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:14,170 they would identify these Hodges which 914 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:16,510 are like little round mountains with 915 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:19,690 not sharp pointy tops but round 916 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:23,050 mountains mm-hmm and it was at somewhere 917 00:40:29,850 --> 00:40:26,170 around the base of the Hajj is where you 918 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:29,860 would find this black soil or sand or 919 00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:32,440 whatever and and that was their clue now 920 00:40:36,990 --> 00:40:34,540 mr. hurry describes this much better 921 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:37,000 than I do in his book the handprint of 922 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:40,390 Atlas and he also suggests in that book 923 00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,450 that the goldrush of California in 18-49 924 00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:46,240 was a staged event because the United 925 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:49,870 States wanted California and so one of 926 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:53,410 the best ways to get the state would be 927 00:40:59,610 --> 00:40:56,890 to have a bunch of Americans just flood 928 00:41:01,200 --> 00:40:59,620 the population this should sound 929 00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:01,210 familiar because this gets talked about 930 00:41:06,590 --> 00:41:04,150 today how you know that is one way to 931 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:06,600 take over an area just flood it with 932 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:09,010 your folks and then you can stake a 933 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:11,050 claim right how many of our people we 934 00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:13,290 got there and this was a tactic that 935 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:17,440 sorry claims the u.s. used and so 936 00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:19,720 therefore they knew that the gold was 937 00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:22,030 there at Sutter's Mill or whatever the 938 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:23,980 place is that he says they knew the gold 939 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:25,810 was there and they were just waiting for 940 00:41:30,930 --> 00:41:27,610 the moment and they chose their moment 941 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:30,940 to do this stage this Eureka event and 942 00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:33,250 then everybody rushed in there of course 943 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:34,840 when you look at the gold rush the 944 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:37,090 people who made money were the people 945 00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:39,130 who supplied the dry goods and the 946 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:41,230 clothes and the tools and set up the 947 00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,090 towns and had the saloons and stuff the 948 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:45,040 guy's going to look for gold very few of 949 00:41:51,830 --> 00:41:49,450 them you know found any so it was 950 00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:51,840 building an instant population and 951 00:41:57,090 --> 00:41:54,940 standing up instant industry and then 952 00:42:00,180 --> 00:41:57,100 that resulted in instant towns right 953 00:42:01,830 --> 00:42:00,190 yeah then of course subsequently you 954 00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:01,840 know things went the way they wanted it 955 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:07,960 to so this idea that they could read the 956 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:10,690 terrain and know where the earth 957 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:13,900 produced gold that suggests what other 958 00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:15,250 kind of things did they know and of 959 00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:16,660 course when you look at the history of 960 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:18,670 telegraphy and when you know the facts 961 00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,430 about telegraphy and the railroads you 962 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:22,960 see that well one of the other things I 963 00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:25,450 knew was this telluric current snow 964 00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:27,700 because telluric current is a reality 965 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:29,950 and the telegraphers you know the guy 966 00:42:33,630 --> 00:42:31,690 did the little Telegraph did it did it 967 00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:33,640 did it with the Morse code which the 968 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:37,270 railroad stood up they strung this they 969 00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,130 set this up along the lines of this 970 00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:40,720 telluric current which they knew was 971 00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:41,230 there 972 00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:43,750 and if you follow railroad lines and 973 00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,030 railroad tracks the railroad lines also 974 00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:48,480 followed this current went hand in hand 975 00:42:55,230 --> 00:42:52,150 so this is all going on in the middle 976 00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:55,240 19th century and and it's out there in 977 00:43:00,240 --> 00:42:57,849 uncertain milieu of Engineers and it's 978 00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:00,250 kind of like an open secret there was 979 00:43:05,849 --> 00:43:03,790 just these guys who they understood the 980 00:43:07,890 --> 00:43:05,859 principles of things that maybe the 981 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:07,900 general public didn't know mm-hmm and 982 00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,450 they used it to their advantage yeah 983 00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:12,640 it's fascinating there always seems to 984 00:43:17,490 --> 00:43:15,880 be a conspiratorial subtext to events 985 00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:17,500 then we remember in the past but the 986 00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:19,960 Gold Rush is nothing I've ever heard be 987 00:43:22,770 --> 00:43:21,369 brought up I've never heard anyone try 988 00:43:24,930 --> 00:43:22,780 to read between the lines of that so 989 00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:24,940 that's really interesting and we also 990 00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:28,150 did a recent show where I had a guest 991 00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:29,800 talk about evidence that points to the 992 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:32,140 Amazon being a product of advanced 993 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:34,089 permaculture practices put in place by 994 00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,130 ancient humans and it actually made me 995 00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:37,599 wonder if something similar 996 00:43:43,290 --> 00:43:40,329 couldn't have happened in areas of high 997 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:43,300 gold production could an area of the 998 00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:46,030 earth be engineered to produce a lot of 999 00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,710 gold is this something they could have 1000 00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:49,599 known how to tweak their environment to 1001 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:52,270 get gold out of it well that's a very 1002 00:43:57,839 --> 00:43:54,970 very interesting suggestion and and I 1003 00:44:00,300 --> 00:43:57,849 would lean towards saying yeah you know 1004 00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,310 I think there's something to that I have 1005 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:03,520 a cumulative result of my research and 1006 00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:06,210 stuff as I'm I'm in the camp of the 1007 00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:09,670 possibility that the the earth has been 1008 00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:12,550 machined or is in some way some big bio 1009 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:16,000 machine mm-hmm and sure you know my 1010 00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:17,770 personal view and the environmentalists 1011 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:20,700 are just gonna love me as much as the et 1012 00:44:26,819 --> 00:44:24,730 hypothesis UFO people but my view is is 1013 00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:26,829 that human beings we're essentially 1014 00:44:32,970 --> 00:44:30,040 nomadic and we go from world to world 1015 00:44:35,069 --> 00:44:32,980 and you know we use the resources that 1016 00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:35,079 are there and when that world's used up 1017 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:39,550 time to go to another one I do not buy 1018 00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:41,970 that the earth is this sin 1019 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:45,540 and being with its own personality and 1020 00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:50,010 awareness of itself and blah blah blah 1021 00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:54,660 it has living things on it and it has 1022 00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,480 this ecosystem but it is essentially now 1023 00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:59,040 we're not supposed to crap on it we're 1024 00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:00,359 not supposed to treat it like crap of 1025 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:02,670 course not it's our home but we are in 1026 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:04,650 my opinion that we're supposed to you 1027 00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:07,890 know use it and survive on it and build 1028 00:45:13,070 --> 00:45:09,900 our civilizations and then when we're 1029 00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:13,080 using it all up it's like I said time to 1030 00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:14,310 move on to the next one 1031 00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:18,359 and I I think if there was a 1032 00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:21,420 civilization that was way more advanced 1033 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:23,430 than anything we've had or aware of that 1034 00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,530 we've had it's very possible that they 1035 00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,119 might had a technology where they could 1036 00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:29,400 you know have come here and known how to 1037 00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:32,190 engineer certain things again I refer to 1038 00:45:37,310 --> 00:45:34,740 acessories handprint of Atlas he kind of 1039 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:37,320 goes into this very thing where he 1040 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:39,810 thinks this offworld civilization did 1041 00:45:44,839 --> 00:45:42,090 kind of if you remember the Star Trek 1042 00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:44,849 movies in the Genesis machine he thinks 1043 00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:47,190 they did kind of a Genesis number where 1044 00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:50,760 you had this globe whatever condition 1045 00:45:56,109 --> 00:45:52,320 the earth was in whatever stage it was 1046 00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:56,119 in and this off planet civilization 1047 00:46:02,030 --> 00:45:59,760 injected this massive device and he says 1048 00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:02,040 that the impact point was what is now 1049 00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:04,710 Lake Victoria in Africa he argues that 1050 00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:06,630 that's what the Royal Geographical 1051 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:09,030 Society was really after mmm-hmm that's 1052 00:46:13,630 --> 00:46:11,250 what Burton was really looking for they 1053 00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:13,640 were really looking for the evidence of 1054 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,099 this point of impact of this object that 1055 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:20,160 then re-engineered the ecosystems of the 1056 00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:24,450 earth to suit the offworld civilizations 1057 00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:27,510 desires that's his theory he wants it 1058 00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:30,180 out in this book in detail but it 1059 00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:32,339 follows along the lines of what we're 1060 00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:34,950 talking about here it heard it's 1061 00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:37,619 intriguing I mean that is a great story 1062 00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:39,720 I owe another little Side Story I like 1063 00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:41,430 that I picked up from your book as it 1064 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:44,430 relates to ancient technology is from 1065 00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:46,290 when Napoleon went into the Great 1066 00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,089 Pyramid alone and you say that according 1067 00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,160 to the lore Napoleon emerged from the 1068 00:46:54,450 --> 00:46:51,839 Great Pyramid in a somewhat unnerved 1069 00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:54,460 state when allegedly asked what happened 1070 00:46:58,109 --> 00:46:56,260 the chamber Napoleon has claimed to have 1071 00:47:00,720 --> 00:46:58,119 replied what's the use you'd never 1072 00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:00,730 believe me and I love that man 1073 00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:03,190 provocative can you elaborate it all or 1074 00:47:07,710 --> 00:47:05,140 speculate on what he might have 1075 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:07,720 experienced well here's the thing 1076 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:09,970 also unfortunately what happened was the 1077 00:47:14,819 --> 00:47:12,010 source of that story then apparently 1078 00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,829 later denied it so you kind of have to 1079 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:17,200 take it for what it's worth mm-hmm was 1080 00:47:21,059 --> 00:47:18,670 the guy telling the truth and then 1081 00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:21,069 someone told him hey cut that crap out 1082 00:47:24,089 --> 00:47:22,480 we don't want to talk about that and so 1083 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:24,099 later he came back and tonight you got 1084 00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:25,930 to decide that for yourself but I would 1085 00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:27,550 say you know you hear these things about 1086 00:47:31,530 --> 00:47:29,950 what the pyramid might have been in my 1087 00:47:33,630 --> 00:47:31,540 opinion I agree with it certainly was 1088 00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:33,640 not a tomb they never found anything 1089 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:36,940 inside there that ever even indicated 1090 00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:41,170 much less proved that it was a tomb but 1091 00:47:45,390 --> 00:47:43,390 it's easier for people to believe it was 1092 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:45,400 so we'll let them keep on believing that 1093 00:47:51,329 --> 00:47:49,690 mm-hmm and feel all superior but it's 1094 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:51,339 possible that if it was some type of 1095 00:47:58,290 --> 00:47:54,730 machine maybe a psychotronic device like 1096 00:48:00,299 --> 00:47:58,300 I say Disneyland was at one time mm-hmm 1097 00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:00,309 it's possible that when he laid down in 1098 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:02,710 that chamber it activated something or 1099 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:05,890 whatever residual effect one could 1100 00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:08,530 experience from what remained of the 1101 00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:11,500 structure perhaps sent him on a little a 1102 00:48:17,069 --> 00:48:14,980 little brief mental trip there and so I 1103 00:48:19,770 --> 00:48:17,079 would say if anything you know you're 1104 00:48:23,849 --> 00:48:19,780 talking some type of psychotronic effect 1105 00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:23,859 and that would be my best explanation 1106 00:48:27,870 --> 00:48:25,990 for for what it would have been unless 1107 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:27,880 there was some apparatus in there that 1108 00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:30,970 they found intact that they removed 1109 00:48:37,799 --> 00:48:35,260 mm-hmm is hidden from history yeah that 1110 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:37,809 is a possibility but I think that seeing 1111 00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:40,569 you know how the Egyptian culture seemed 1112 00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:44,380 to value the spiritual plane and knowing 1113 00:48:47,849 --> 00:48:46,270 what I know about entheogens I think 1114 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:47,859 there's a good chance that that might 1115 00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:49,450 have been some type of psychedelic 1116 00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:52,390 machine that could get you there maybe 1117 00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:54,430 without the drugs or maybe they they 1118 00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:56,049 load it up and then got into it or 1119 00:49:00,000 --> 00:48:58,510 something but well you know I'll say 1120 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:00,010 about that what I like to say about a 1121 00:49:03,809 --> 00:49:02,290 lot of things I write is I let the 1122 00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:03,819 listener or the reader decide for 1123 00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:06,609 themselves their point that's I like to 1124 00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:08,040 do that here too 1125 00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:10,380 so if we get back to these breakaway 1126 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:11,790 groups because there are is more than 1127 00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:15,690 one and you know what makes them tick is 1128 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:18,060 often funding usually that is a point of 1129 00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,010 studying can you tell us any more about 1130 00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:22,920 the backers of this underground group or 1131 00:49:27,850 --> 00:49:25,380 groups well you have for those 1132 00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:27,860 interested I might go into detail I 1133 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:31,230 identified German bankers specifically 1134 00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:33,570 who I think would have been these 1135 00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:36,030 mysterious financers and the New York 1136 00:49:41,330 --> 00:49:37,950 bankers as well as a matter of fact in 1137 00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,340 origin I list out both of them the most 1138 00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:43,920 likely suspects because these were the 1139 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:45,990 banks that existed in those days when 1140 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:48,330 the sources like del Chou and the 1141 00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:50,730 newspaper reports 1890s refer to 1142 00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:53,220 financials and bankers what I did was I 1143 00:49:59,810 --> 00:49:56,310 said okay who were the bankers of the 1144 00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:59,820 day mm-hmm so I went back and looked 1145 00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,140 through the history of it and identify 1146 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:04,160 here you go I was able to trace the line 1147 00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:08,570 between the early to mid 19th century 1148 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:12,630 industrialists and bankers and her 1149 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:17,450 medicine leading to the 1890s era 1150 00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:19,530 counterparts of these guys in some cases 1151 00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:20,940 you know of course there's overlap some 1152 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:22,830 of these guys were still around just 1153 00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:24,930 like the guys during the 1890s mystery 1154 00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:26,910 work some of them were still around in 1155 00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:29,880 the early days of Nazi Germany and I 1156 00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:32,880 show the line there between the guys 1157 00:50:36,910 --> 00:50:34,470 that would have been financers bankers 1158 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:36,920 and industrialists German or New York 1159 00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:41,130 mm-hmm during the 1890s mystery the ones 1160 00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:43,800 that would have been connected to the 1161 00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:47,700 foundation of Nazi Germany and their 1162 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:51,990 pursuit of this stuff and it's it's very 1163 00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:55,290 intriguing when you look at this whole 1164 00:50:59,720 --> 00:50:58,200 mystery from that perspective you know 1165 00:51:02,510 --> 00:50:59,730 it's all well and good to talk about who 1166 00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:02,520 we saw this machine and who flew and wow 1167 00:51:07,070 --> 00:51:05,190 what a mystery and and yeah and it was 1168 00:51:10,610 --> 00:51:07,080 these things were built by New York 1169 00:51:13,310 --> 00:51:10,620 bankers in Richmond well except in the 1170 00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:13,320 case of Astor Rockefeller whatever most 1171 00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:15,600 scholars had never taken a close look at 1172 00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:17,910 who these money men were and the 1173 00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:19,710 interesting thing I found was the closer 1174 00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:21,270 you looked at who these money men were 1175 00:51:23,539 --> 00:51:21,660 in these 1176 00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:23,549 industrialist you find that they were 1177 00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:27,599 connected to say Nazi Germany or the 1178 00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:30,119 German war machine of World War one and 1179 00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:33,089 it just kind of begins to make even more 1180 00:51:37,819 --> 00:51:35,700 sense that these are the guys who would 1181 00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:37,829 have been behind pursuing something like 1182 00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,859 this mysterious and secret airship 1183 00:51:44,839 --> 00:51:43,440 technology right it is an eye-opener man 1184 00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:44,849 because we're really talking about as 1185 00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,180 Germans getting a foothold of power in 1186 00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:50,880 the United States as early as like the 1187 00:51:56,180 --> 00:51:53,849 Civil War era right and it goes further 1188 00:51:58,039 --> 00:51:56,190 from there but it makes something like 1189 00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:58,049 Project Paperclip seem a lot more 1190 00:52:02,240 --> 00:51:59,940 natural when you just think about the 1191 00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,250 infiltration and what's also interesting 1192 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:04,319 is you do mention Brown Brothers 1193 00:52:09,380 --> 00:52:07,650 Harriman in this and that's struck a 1194 00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:09,390 chord with me because Prescott Bush 1195 00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:11,099 worked for them and you write a lot 1196 00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:13,049 about German organizations getting that 1197 00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,030 foothold long before Project Paperclip 1198 00:52:21,319 --> 00:52:17,280 and I wonder if Bush might have known 1199 00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:21,329 anything about this stuff you you know 1200 00:52:28,339 --> 00:52:23,369 you touched on a big one there this 1201 00:52:31,059 --> 00:52:28,349 started this foothold really got a its 1202 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:31,069 first deep impression with Kuhn Loeb 1203 00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:34,970 okay the German banking organization 1204 00:52:40,279 --> 00:52:38,339 that was here in America who at one time 1205 00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,289 they were the guys behind a lot of the 1206 00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,760 railroads you had all these different 1207 00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,200 railroads throughout the country and 1208 00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:44,640 right yeah competing with each other but 1209 00:52:48,859 --> 00:52:47,220 Kuhn Loeb they were the bankers that had 1210 00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:48,869 their fingers in all those railroad ties 1211 00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:52,470 and at one time they physically they 1212 00:52:58,579 --> 00:52:56,730 owned 65% of the physical railroad in 1213 00:53:01,220 --> 00:52:58,589 the United States so think about that 1214 00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:01,230 you know and you have these German born 1215 00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:03,510 bankers who had their connections to 1216 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:06,329 Germany despite being an American 1217 00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:10,650 institution and they pretty much 1218 00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:13,020 financially controlled the railroads 1219 00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,329 which meant telegraphy which also tied 1220 00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:19,680 in with the knowledge of the telluric 1221 00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:22,230 current so therefore what did they know 1222 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:24,630 about I identify them as being involved 1223 00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:28,170 with the airship nimza but Kuhn Loeb 1224 00:53:35,060 --> 00:53:31,740 were the backers of eh Harriman when he 1225 00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,070 purchased the Union Pacific Railroad 1226 00:53:40,610 --> 00:53:38,000 for what was then considered a 1227 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:40,620 ridiculous overpayment but he wanted it 1228 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:43,770 and kuhn loeb backed him up well eh 1229 00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:46,770 Harriman is the subsequent Brown 1230 00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:48,180 Brothers Harriman that's where the 1231 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:50,790 Harriman name comes from in avril and 1232 00:53:56,780 --> 00:53:54,330 and bunny or afro might be bunny but the 1233 00:53:59,180 --> 00:53:56,790 Harriman brothers who Prescott Bush was 1234 00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:59,190 friends with were the sons of eh 1235 00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:01,740 Harriman you know that are connected to 1236 00:54:07,850 --> 00:54:03,990 kuhn loeb and i spell all this out in 1237 00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:07,860 the book and it shows again the thread 1238 00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:11,280 between the mid 19th century stuff that 1239 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:12,540 was going on with all this in the 1240 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:14,970 background and leading right up into the 1241 00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:16,530 world war ii era with the germans 1242 00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:19,140 because we know that prescott bush got 1243 00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:21,480 in trouble during world war ii he was 1244 00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:24,780 believed indicted for providing banking 1245 00:54:31,850 --> 00:54:30,180 services to to nazi germany mm-hm to the 1246 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:31,860 you know the official nazi 1247 00:54:37,310 --> 00:54:35,130 administration as it were and what's 1248 00:54:40,310 --> 00:54:37,320 interesting is you know his own son is a 1249 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:40,320 u.s. navy fighter pilot fighting this 1250 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:43,530 war and there he is connected it's very 1251 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:45,960 intriguing and kind of half pisses you 1252 00:54:51,620 --> 00:54:50,250 off but a lot of people you know or more 1253 00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,630 than half pissed off when it comes to 1254 00:54:58,070 --> 00:54:53,280 the shenanigans and mysteries of the 1255 00:55:01,340 --> 00:54:58,080 bush family history right Wow well on 1256 00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:01,350 that note this has been awesome man 1257 00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,540 that just about does it for my question 1258 00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:05,760 thanks for laying out this amazing saga 1259 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:07,980 the secret of the nimza would you like 1260 00:55:12,380 --> 00:55:09,930 to remind the people of the work you got 1261 00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:12,390 out there and where to get some of this 1262 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:16,710 sweet Bosley action you can get it all 1263 00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:21,090 on Kendall at amazon.com and you can 1264 00:55:26,660 --> 00:55:22,800 also get it if you prefer printed books 1265 00:55:28,190 --> 00:55:26,670 you can go to lu lu lu lu comm and i 1266 00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:28,200 also have a blog empire of the wheel 1267 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:30,900 blog spot.com when i'm busy working on 1268 00:55:34,610 --> 00:55:32,970 stuff i don't update it frequently but 1269 00:55:37,220 --> 00:55:34,620 there's some really good essays and 1270 00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:37,230 stuff there along with some links and 1271 00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:39,180 remember even if you don't have a Kindle 1272 00:55:43,580 --> 00:55:41,430 device Amazon gives the Kindle app away 1273 00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:43,590 for free so you can download it onto any 1274 00:55:47,370 --> 00:55:46,440 device so that you too can read Kindle 1275 00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:47,380 books 1276 00:55:51,690 --> 00:55:49,900 so that's about where you can find me 1277 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:51,700 very cool and you did allude to this 1278 00:55:56,250 --> 00:55:53,530 earlier but are there plans to take this 1279 00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:56,260 story further in more books which 1280 00:56:01,680 --> 00:55:59,410 particular I guess I would say the 1281 00:56:04,290 --> 00:56:01,690 Nemesis story or the breakaway 1282 00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:04,300 civilization story oh well you know as 1283 00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:07,480 it comes up in the in research I do it 1284 00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:10,900 will but I never decide ahead of time 1285 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:14,260 okay I'm gonna like do this series of 1286 00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:15,490 books and there's gonna be 10 of them 1287 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:17,620 and then I find things to fill those 10 1288 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:20,410 I don't do that I honestly the books I 1289 00:56:24,810 --> 00:56:22,930 do are you know if some if a little 1290 00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:24,820 thread or something pops up and research 1291 00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:27,160 for another book I'll set it aside then 1292 00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:29,230 I'll go back to it and if I get enough 1293 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:31,300 what I consider to be evidence to 1294 00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,690 justify the book I'll do the book but 1295 00:56:40,590 --> 00:56:36,400 I'll never do a book just to have a book 1296 00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:40,600 which is why it's been you know six you 1297 00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:42,040 know almost nine months since I came out 1298 00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,980 with I had two others that I'd started 1299 00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,480 and I just wasn't finding enough to 1300 00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:48,640 justify it and I won't do that I won't 1301 00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:50,590 do a book just to crank out a book and 1302 00:56:55,230 --> 00:56:53,620 have a book respectable yeah I I try to 1303 00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,240 have it be something that intrigued me 1304 00:57:00,510 --> 00:56:57,280 enough that I feel there was enough 1305 00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:00,520 there to justify this book now the 1306 00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:01,900 reader has to decide for themselves 1307 00:57:06,330 --> 00:57:04,630 whether that's true or not oh yeah man I 1308 00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:06,340 think you do great stuff from Disney to 1309 00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:08,440 del Chou I'm into all of it thank you 1310 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:10,630 you really have opened up a big part of 1311 00:57:14,670 --> 00:57:12,490 history I think so thanks again and take 1312 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:14,680 care of yourself out there thank you for 1313 00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:17,410 having me one you got them in sweet son 1314 00:57:21,390 --> 00:57:19,240 of Zorn people there we have it a 1315 00:57:23,820 --> 00:57:21,400 magnifying glass on some chapters of the 1316 00:57:26,490 --> 00:57:23,830 story few have seen I actually loved it 1317 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:26,500 I think if we reject the desire for a 1318 00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:29,050 single narrative you can easily accept a 1319 00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:30,790 lot of this without moving the alien 1320 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:32,680 piece or the multi-dimensional entity 1321 00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:34,810 piece at all and if you like the show 1322 00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:36,790 with sh'mon jr. a few weeks ago this is 1323 00:57:40,860 --> 00:57:38,710 just a deeper look at some of that and 1324 00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:40,870 it's the connections to alchemy or 1325 00:57:45,180 --> 00:57:43,180 material derived from the ether that 1326 00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:45,190 really gets me pumped up about the 1327 00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:47,020 Sonora Aero Club that's what I find 1328 00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,390 exciting but when you pair this with say 1329 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:51,280 the James Corbett episode where we talk 1330 00:57:54,930 --> 00:57:52,930 largely about the advanced 1331 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:54,940 transportation systems an alternative 1332 00:57:58,770 --> 00:57:56,650 fuel that were in full swing before they 1333 00:58:01,150 --> 00:57:58,780 were suppressed and you throw in Tesla 1334 00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:01,160 Wilhelm Reich and Thomas Townshend Brown 1335 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:02,630 we're all doing wild stuff in the early 1336 00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,690 1900's the history of technological 1337 00:58:09,339 --> 00:58:06,799 process 1338 00:58:11,859 --> 00:58:09,349 it's kind of weird doesn't it another 1339 00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:11,869 aspect I like about power or technology 1340 00:58:17,049 --> 00:58:14,510 derived from alchemy or counter-rotation 1341 00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,059 devices or manipulating ley lines as 1342 00:58:22,510 --> 00:58:19,520 opposed to our mechanical digital 1343 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:22,520 technology is that secret societies or 1344 00:58:27,250 --> 00:58:25,010 rogue discoverers can do some really 1345 00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:27,260 wild things and at many different points 1346 00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:29,839 in history things the mainstream think 1347 00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:32,809 would be impossible even today happened 1348 00:58:37,210 --> 00:58:34,569 and we're talking about anti-gravity 1349 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:37,220 healing devices free energy devices 1350 00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:40,250 weather manipulation with devices that 1351 00:58:45,849 --> 00:58:43,640 aren't that hard to build it's a lot but 1352 00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:45,859 it's because of the simplicity of these 1353 00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:48,319 things that you have to wonder how far 1354 00:58:52,750 --> 00:58:51,049 back it really goes and how about this 1355 00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:52,760 idea of manipulating the earth into a 1356 00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:55,750 gold factory we see these ancient cities 1357 00:59:00,250 --> 00:58:58,250 plated in gold from top to bottom and 1358 00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,260 yeah maybe the resource was just more 1359 00:59:04,569 --> 00:59:02,480 abundant than or maybe they were more 1360 00:59:07,089 --> 00:59:04,579 advanced than we're told maybe they had 1361 00:59:09,099 --> 00:59:07,099 more involvement in that process than 1362 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:09,109 just oh here's something shiny let's 1363 00:59:13,210 --> 00:59:11,210 make a statue I think we should give him 1364 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:13,220 a bit more credit than that but this 1365 00:59:18,099 --> 00:59:16,010 saga also speaks to this prussian german 1366 00:59:20,410 --> 00:59:18,109 power center and how it was getting its 1367 00:59:22,569 --> 00:59:20,420 hooks into america even before Operation 1368 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:22,579 Paperclip way before we're talking civil 1369 00:59:26,829 --> 00:59:25,130 war stuff it was this earlier foundation 1370 00:59:29,260 --> 00:59:26,839 that made the transition for Operation 1371 00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:29,270 Paperclip so easy and I know this is a 1372 00:59:32,589 --> 00:59:31,190 weird place for conspiracy thinkers 1373 00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:32,599 because we want a singular narrative 1374 00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:34,670 about who's at the top of the pyramid 1375 00:59:39,789 --> 00:59:36,920 and the overwhelming majority will say 1376 00:59:41,710 --> 00:59:39,799 Jews are in control through centuries of 1377 00:59:43,390 --> 00:59:41,720 banking and usury and now they control 1378 00:59:46,539 --> 00:59:43,400 the media and between the two money and 1379 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:46,549 media that's a lot of power there's also 1380 00:59:50,349 --> 00:59:48,170 the argument that Jews have been kicked 1381 00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:50,359 out of a lot of places well before World 1382 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:52,220 War two some would say that this is 1383 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:55,490 proof of their centuries-old persecution 1384 00:59:59,680 --> 00:59:58,010 and racism but I have a hard time 1385 01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:59,690 thinking that they were kicked out of 1386 01:00:05,309 --> 01:00:02,240 these places for no reason other than 1387 01:00:08,529 --> 01:00:05,319 racism it seems more likely to me that 1388 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:08,539 elements of the Jewish elite not the 1389 01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:10,010 average Jewish people who of course 1390 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:12,710 suffered the effects of such a ban but 1391 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:14,690 the Jewish power center 1392 01:00:18,250 --> 01:00:16,490 it feels like to me elements of that 1393 01:00:21,309 --> 01:00:18,260 Jewish power center we're probably so 1394 01:00:23,380 --> 01:00:21,319 efficient at rising to power in these 1395 01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:23,390 places that it freaked out the rest of 1396 01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:26,089 the government so they said all you got 1397 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:28,190 to go get the [\h__\h] out of here I'm not 1398 01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:30,050 saying that's right I'm just saying I 1399 01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,640 think that that might have been what's 1400 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:34,400 behind it objectively and of course you 1401 01:00:37,630 --> 01:00:35,690 have a lot of stuff there with the 1402 01:00:40,450 --> 01:00:37,640 Rothschild family too you can say that 1403 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:40,460 they're not real Jewish people or posers 1404 01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:42,290 you can have that argument and that's 1405 01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:44,569 kind of its own thing so I think there 1406 01:00:48,849 --> 01:00:45,950 is something there that a lot of 1407 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:48,859 researchers are onto but we cannot 1408 01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:51,410 ignore this German and Prussian elite 1409 01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:53,960 and they're influenced you got some 1410 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:55,670 shows in the conspiracy space that say 1411 01:01:00,730 --> 01:00:57,410 it's all Jews and the Germans and the 1412 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:00,740 Nazis were wrongfully demonized and I 1413 01:01:05,140 --> 01:01:03,170 think that's going way too far let's 1414 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:05,150 examine a couple of things Henry Ford 1415 01:01:08,890 --> 01:01:07,130 and Rockefeller were two of the big 1416 01:01:10,329 --> 01:01:08,900 names among the early American 1417 01:01:12,910 --> 01:01:10,339 industrialists and rockefeller was 1418 01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:12,920 German Henry Ford's dad was Irish so 1419 01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:14,780 that doesn't really help us out but 1420 01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:16,910 Henry Ford wrote a book called the 1421 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:19,369 International Jews that goes over how 1422 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:22,250 bad they are and how they like to get 1423 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:23,930 their hooks in everything and take over 1424 01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,690 a place so Henry Ford the guy who works 1425 01:01:30,730 --> 01:01:28,640 with rockefeller to install an 1426 01:01:33,579 --> 01:01:30,740 assembly-line lifestyle in America and 1427 01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:33,589 ushers in forced schooling aimed testing 1428 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:35,750 loyalty to its management class rather 1429 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:37,970 than testing intelligence plus the 1430 01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:39,650 suppression of public transportation 1431 01:01:43,870 --> 01:01:41,960 systems and forcing an oil only fuel 1432 01:01:45,849 --> 01:01:43,880 policy I mean this seems like some of 1433 01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:45,859 the biggest changes that were made and 1434 01:01:51,309 --> 01:01:48,710 problems that this country has and Henry 1435 01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:51,319 Ford is involved in it and he wants you 1436 01:01:54,790 --> 01:01:52,609 to worry about what the Jews are doing 1437 01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:54,800 so I think we should just say that it's 1438 01:01:58,990 --> 01:01:57,260 not all black and white I mean the Bush 1439 01:02:01,210 --> 01:01:59,000 family we did that show with russ Baker 1440 01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,220 taking their family back to civil war 1441 01:02:05,740 --> 01:02:03,920 corruption also a German family and they 1442 01:02:07,870 --> 01:02:05,750 turned out to presidents one who stole 1443 01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:07,880 the election and ushered in 9/11 but 1444 01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:10,190 don't look at the Chairman's I mean you 1445 01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:12,710 know you can say they are Zionists too 1446 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:15,680 so maybe this German Jew false dichotomy 1447 01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,410 is as ridiculous as Democrats and 1448 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:20,240 Republicans I think it's more rich 1449 01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:22,250 versus poor I have said that before but 1450 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:24,550 we're getting into some [\h__\h] here I mean 1451 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:27,890 MKULTRA Operation Paperclip the rocketry 1452 01:02:30,190 --> 01:02:28,610 program 1453 01:02:32,410 --> 01:02:30,200 and NASA the chemical-based 1454 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:32,420 pharmaceutical industry the education 1455 01:02:39,250 --> 01:02:36,170 system these are institutions of control 1456 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:39,260 that are largely German in nature or 1457 01:02:43,780 --> 01:02:41,810 German corporations so I think we have 1458 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:43,790 to consider multiple power centers and 1459 01:02:48,310 --> 01:02:46,330 more of a game of thrones scenario I 1460 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:48,320 don't know I think it's more valuable 1461 01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,210 point the finger at individuals rather 1462 01:02:53,410 --> 01:02:51,920 than groups anyway and at the capstone 1463 01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:53,420 level I think they probably just see the 1464 01:02:57,070 --> 01:02:55,430 masses as the enemy regardless of if 1465 01:02:58,300 --> 01:02:57,080 they share blood with them or not but I 1466 01:03:00,910 --> 01:02:58,310 did want to lay some of them out there 1467 01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,920 because there will be comments oh so 1468 01:03:05,260 --> 01:03:02,960 it's all Germans sure ignore the Jews 1469 01:03:08,350 --> 01:03:05,270 well it looks like THC is compromised 1470 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:08,360 and look we do shows where we talk about 1471 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:10,850 that with guests who research that story 1472 01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:12,650 and we have guests who focus on several 1473 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:14,150 other groups today we focused on a 1474 01:03:17,590 --> 01:03:15,770 Prussian hermetic society and its 1475 01:03:19,390 --> 01:03:17,600 influence and its advanced technology 1476 01:03:22,030 --> 01:03:19,400 behind the veil I mean there's nothing 1477 01:03:24,190 --> 01:03:22,040 necessarily nefarious about flying some 1478 01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:24,200 exotic crafts but it is more than just 1479 01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:26,270 that of course so I don't know I don't 1480 01:03:29,980 --> 01:03:28,070 think these are contradictory threads I 1481 01:03:32,740 --> 01:03:29,990 have enough room in my head for both and 1482 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:32,750 probably more and I've taken a couple 1483 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:34,850 shots at flat earthers lately and some 1484 01:03:38,860 --> 01:03:36,530 of the listeners that adopted that 1485 01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:38,870 paradigm have taken offense and the 1486 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:40,880 reason I poked fun at them is because in 1487 01:03:45,310 --> 01:03:43,130 the six or so years I've been doing this 1488 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:45,320 show there's never been a more 1489 01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:47,570 close-minded group that is my problem 1490 01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:50,960 because THC to me is about having a 1491 01:03:54,940 --> 01:03:52,910 drink and a smoke and talk about some 1492 01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:54,950 taboo and fringe ideas and information 1493 01:04:00,760 --> 01:03:58,400 like a stoners digital speakeasy and we 1494 01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:00,770 try on many hats some fit better than 1495 01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,960 others and next week we will look at 1496 01:04:06,790 --> 01:04:04,640 something else or take a different angle 1497 01:04:09,070 --> 01:04:06,800 and the Flat Earth community as a whole 1498 01:04:11,410 --> 01:04:09,080 seems like they've made up their mind 1499 01:04:13,390 --> 01:04:11,420 they know all the answers and they're 1500 01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,400 closed off to any other discussion and I 1501 01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:15,680 just reject that it's like the material 1502 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:18,110 science ISM thing there have to be other 1503 01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:20,570 discussions and when I hear nope this 1504 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:22,520 guy is talking about Mars Mars isn't 1505 01:04:26,170 --> 01:04:22,970 real 1506 01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:26,180 I just want to lose my mind when people 1507 01:04:31,030 --> 01:04:29,000 are so sure about basically unknowable 1508 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:31,040 things I just go nuts 1509 01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:33,050 you can think NASA photographs are all 1510 01:04:37,150 --> 01:04:35,090 CGI you can think the rover missions 1511 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:37,160 were faked in the desert and that the 1512 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:39,290 light in the sky that we call Mars is 1513 01:04:42,490 --> 01:04:41,690 just something other than a planet but 1514 01:04:44,620 --> 01:04:42,500 to adopt that 1515 01:04:46,450 --> 01:04:44,630 as your new religion and shut down any 1516 01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:46,460 discussion that suggests there's a red 1517 01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:49,310 planet out there is so close-minded that 1518 01:04:52,570 --> 01:04:51,050 you're no better than someone in the 1519 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:52,580 mainstream who rolls their eyes at the 1520 01:04:56,830 --> 01:04:55,010 other topics that we go over where is 1521 01:04:59,140 --> 01:04:56,840 the open-minded attitude 1522 01:05:02,020 --> 01:04:59,150 this really isn't some race to a 1523 01:05:04,780 --> 01:05:02,030 conclusion finish line it's an ever 1524 01:05:06,910 --> 01:05:04,790 expanding cloud of ideas and overtime 1525 01:05:09,130 --> 01:05:06,920 forms will take shape and others will 1526 01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:09,140 fade away and we'll get pictures that 1527 01:05:13,390 --> 01:05:10,910 are more accurate as they go and might 1528 01:05:15,790 --> 01:05:13,400 change radically year after year at 1529 01:05:18,070 --> 01:05:15,800 least that's how I look at it and want 1530 01:05:20,110 --> 01:05:18,080 it to be looked at but things do take on 1531 01:05:22,270 --> 01:05:20,120 a life of their own so there was a lot 1532 01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:22,280 of rambling about somewhat unrelated 1533 01:05:26,980 --> 01:05:24,530 things but if you like the first half of 1534 01:05:29,830 --> 01:05:26,990 this show we do go deeper in the members 1535 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:29,840 only second hour as well we get into the 1536 01:05:35,350 --> 01:05:32,330 story that Tesla built a ship that could 1537 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:35,360 get to Mars before 1910 and how the new 1538 01:05:40,450 --> 01:05:37,610 context of the Sonora Aero Club and the 1539 01:05:41,860 --> 01:05:40,460 nimza adds fuel to that fire I mean 1540 01:05:44,650 --> 01:05:41,870 these people who think we have a jump 1541 01:05:47,230 --> 01:05:44,660 room to Mars now who went there to 1542 01:05:49,570 --> 01:05:47,240 install the landing pad maybe this is 1543 01:05:52,660 --> 01:05:49,580 what we're talking about but we also get 1544 01:05:55,210 --> 01:05:52,670 into Walter's Sir Richard Francis Burton 1545 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:55,220 book and expeditions to South America 1546 01:05:59,170 --> 01:05:57,170 and lots of gold and airship sightings 1547 01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,180 at that time that coordinate with 1548 01:06:03,790 --> 01:06:01,760 Prussian exploration all sorts of stuff 1549 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:03,800 and you know the drill sign up for plus 1550 01:06:09,340 --> 01:06:06,410 it's 5 bucks a month you get five shows 1551 01:06:12,130 --> 01:06:09,350 keeps my dream alive and you can treat 1552 01:06:14,860 --> 01:06:12,140 yourself to a deeper level of these THC 1553 01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:14,870 interviews that's it for me you're all 1554 01:06:19,450 --> 01:06:16,790 God's special snowflakes I'll see you 1555 01:06:21,730 --> 01:06:19,460 next week your movie so Tarek alchemists 1556 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:21,740 benefactors of the Sonora Saucer society 1557 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:24,290 and secret keepers of nimza you're 1558 01:06:36,210 --> 01:06:29,890 buckin move have a drink in the smoke 1559 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:36,220 listen to the cast shiny shiny spotlight 1560 01:06:47,790 --> 01:06:41,810 but criminals on blast the pinstripe man 1561 01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:47,800 of morning and families of Finance do 1562 01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:51,700 on Windsor and Rothschild the kids don't 1563 01:06:59,250 --> 01:06:56,290 stand a chance the kids don't the kids 1564 01:07:03,180 --> 01:06:59,260 don't stand the kids don't stand a 1565 01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,190 chance I said the kids don't the kids 1566 01:07:07,130 --> 01:07:06,160 don't stand the kids don't stand a 1567 01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:07,140 chance 1568 01:07:16,050 --> 01:07:11,500 we're looking for the answer the 1569 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:16,060 questions never asked so we come to the 1570 01:07:26,370 --> 01:07:21,730 car would for the higher side chat the 1571 01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:26,380 Pinstripe man of morning and families of 1572 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:30,910 Finance do pawn Windsor and Rothschild 1573 01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:35,770 the kids don't stand a chance the kids 1574 01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:39,220 don't the kids don't stand the kids 1575 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:42,640 don't stand a chance I said the kids 1576 01:08:04,250 --> 01:07:46,090 don't the kids don't stand the kids 1577 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:04,260 don't stand a chance involved in shady 1578 01:08:14,190 --> 01:08:09,850 business we try to get a glimpse we're 1579 01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:14,200 working on the numbers resistance must 1580 01:08:25,050 --> 01:08:20,020 advance the pinstripe man of morning and 1581 01:08:29,329 --> 01:08:25,060 families of Finance DuPont Windsor and 1582 01:08:33,780 --> 01:08:29,339 Rothschild the kids don't stand a chance 1583 01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:33,790 the kids don't the kids don't stand the 1584 01:08:39,550 --> 01:08:36,230 kids don't stand 1585 01:08:44,050 --> 01:08:39,560 I said the kids don't the kids don't 1586 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:44,060 stand the kids don't stand a chance the 1587 01:08:51,190 --> 01:08:47,810 kids don't the kids don't stand the kids 1588 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:51,200 don't stand a chance I said the kids